Comments on: Islamaphobia… Seriously now, It’s 2009. Hold My Pocket

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:32:47 +0000

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By: Curious

Curious — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:16:52 +0000

Jay, Im sure George is the type of American who cant tell the difference between an Indian, Native American, or an Arab anyway. All brown people that speak funny are bad and suspicious!

as a matter of fact, since we are blaming entire ethnic and religious groups for the acts of individuals, every time I see a white man, I’m afraid. I see images of the slave trade, the trail of tears, apartheid, and jim Crow. i fear that he will rape me, steal my children, enslave my men, and steal all the natural resources from my land since thats what “you people” do. Of course, he will then deem these acts of “civil”izing us and wonder why my people are suffering for generations. The Native American and the Indian may understand where I’m coming from…

many of you could benefit from reading a book instead of regurgitating media talking points. I’d suggest Benazir Bhutto’s Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West to answer some of your questions and end these blatant stereotypes. Even if you don’t read the entire thing, Atleast read the part where she explains what jihad really means so you can atleast use the word correctly.

Also, Art wants to know what Muslim countries are doing to adress some of the issues of fanaticism. Interestingly enough, the Economist had an article about Saudi Arabia’s progress with reforming religious fanatics:

http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12470503

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/08/Muslim_clerics_endorse_anti-terror_fatwa/UPI-38241226199440/

By: Nijla

Nijla — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:16:15 +0000

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which speaks to some of these issues!

-Nijla

By: kted

kted — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:08:08 +0000

sorry Facts.. just returned to work today and this is what i’ve read so faron this. The FBI states that the group was cleared about 2 hours after they were removed. They also state that they informed the airlines that there was no threat and that it was Air Trans’ decision not to allow them to reboard the delayed flight or to rebook. So the critical point of WHEN the FBI exonerated them is contradictory to the Air Trans release. Also, the fact is that the complaint was made to the flight attendant and then passed on to the pilot. According to Christopher White of the TSA, it was the pilot’s decision to request the air marshals to remove them from the plane. Based on that comment, then it was Air Trans personnel who designated the conversation as, using your words, a “reported threat”. You continue to frame the conversation as about “Airline Safety” and presenting it as an obvious threat (as any spin control hack would do) when they were carrying on a conversation about the relative safety of their assigned seats (a completely benign conversation). The funniest part of your reply was that an airline would NEVER lie to better present it’s position. Every commercial they advertise is a lie to best present their fares (neglecting to point out all those hidden fees). How about when you’re sitting on the tarmac for four hours in a snow storm being told every 5 minutes you’ll be in the air anytime now (not that the airlines gets billed if you return to the gate)? Saying AirTrans wouldn’t lie is probably the stupidest thing you’ve presented in any of your posts. As far as the father being upset at the ticket counter, again ,this was because the airlines refused to rebook him AFTER THEY KNEW he was not a threat. Find me anyone who would not be upset at that point. ANYONE AT ALL. As far as how nice AIRTRANS was to refund their fare. If i wanted to watch SPIKE TV on an AIRTRANS flight and the woman behind me heard me say Spike and told the flight attendant, who told the pilot, who decided that i had threatened the safety of the plane and requested i be removed (along with the rest of the passengers for a two hour delay), who passed me on to the FBI, who were the only ones with the common sense to realize that Spike TV is only a threat to our intelligence and cleared me of any wrongdoing and told airtrans i was no threat; after all that, Air Trans would be justified in not reloading me, not rebooking me, and not refunding my fare? Gee…. nice way to make a buck.

By: johnson

johnson — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:52:15 +0000

Facts:

It was not insignificant to your premise. Another overstatement. You said that AirTran kicked these folks off because it was their constitutional right. Indeed, they were allowed to kick these people off, but it certainly does not come from a right as sacred as one bestowed in the constitution. More like some boiler plate language on the ticket or some FAA reg. BUT my point goes to how people like you argue. Overstate some things, understate others, and hope no one calls you on anything. Why not live up to your screenname?

By: The facts

The facts — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:43:40 +0000

Johnson – Nice use of the word “fact.” Clever. I appreciate your expertise on the subject. If I was dismissive it about the topic it was only because it was insignificant to my premise. I never meant the constitution specifically assigns rights to corporations. I only meant what I said, that is, that constitutional rights apply to businesses. But since I seemed to touch on a sore spot, I thought I would commend you on technically being right. Good job buddy, keep it up!

By: johnson

johnson — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:09:17 +0000

The facts:

Just checked back in to see the Article of the Constitution that bestows rights upon corporations. So you know, the whole point of a corporation is to shield individuals from liability. That is why when you start a company and act on its behalf after incorporation, you cannot be sued individually. Therefore, I am sure you appreciate that companies are, in FACT, completely separate than individuals under the law, and hardly have rights of individuals. Now, there is A LOT of stuff I don’t know about so I try to make it a practice of arguing about stuff I slightly know without bending the truth, painting with a broad brush, etc. You might consider the same.

By: The facts

The facts — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:43:55 +0000

Kted – It’s quite common for the media’s “original” story to be inaccurate. If every original story was accurate Dewey would have been the president in 1948. I am confident that when the official report is released Airtran will be vindicated both legally and in the court of public opinion. It is unlikely a business would release an inaccurate statement thereby damaging it’s credibility in the future. If a mistake had been made, Airtran would acknowledge the mistake and make restitution rather than looking deceitful after the FBI release. Regarding your moral concerns, they are well founded. However, it appears you’re holding the airline responsible for something out of their control. You acknowledged yourself that the Air Marshall’s had no choice but to carry out the security procedures to their end. Thus, if there is a problem, it is systemically embedded in our homeland security protocol, not the airline. It may be unfair to remove someone for talking about the airplanes safety, but it would be unfathomable for the TSA and Air Marshals to start disregarding reported threats. Regarding you’re concerns about how quickly Airtran was seeking clearance, give me a break. First, when it comes to security issues, the last thing we need to do is rush the process. Second, it would be unfair for the airline to stop operations to cater to the removed family at the risk of causing hundreds of other passengers to become delayed and miss their connecting flights. Regarding your belief that the airline bears some responsibility in cleaning up the mess, according the release they refunded their fares, despite likely being “nonrefundable.” So much of your latter argument is based on speculation. You should have stuck to the original notion of waiting for the official FBI release.

By: Sid

Sid — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:58:10 +0000

The biggest reason people are dying there, is this phoney reason that the West is bad and must be eradicated from the face of the planet and that “jihad” is the authorization to do it.
*No, flat out wrong stop making complex issues into over simplifications. Hit some sights and look at things from a historical prospective, there are agendas that are political in nature and polarizing the issues because of religion is a cope out. Next you’ll be drumming “they hate freedom.”

The request is simple, yet you say it is flawed? How is it flawed that I ask the very people who claim that Islam promotes peace to stop the insane bombings, killings, if they can, by simply ordering those who claim that this is “jihad” , who have the authority to do so, to order it stopped with a religious decree? How is that flawed to ask a religious base to confirm what they say?
*How is a religious decree going to effect this? Gov’ts are the ones that enforce the law of the land, so name one country that is Anti-America? You obviously lack any knowledge of Islam, and the diversity of muslims of the world. Muslims are not like Catholics with a Pope.

I do not need solice from anyone. You asked me what is it that I need, well, I simply told you what I wanted: I want Muslims to pressure their clerics to order this killing in the name of their brown god, Allah, to stop. … as well as their white god…
*Whats stopping you from pressuring them since you believe clerks have so much power?

By: kted

kted — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:42:08 +0000

Just a followup idea for some of our viewers on the board. I think i’ve found a solution for the more paranoid among us. We start an airlines that bars anyone that doesn’t look like us from even getting to the gate. We can call it WhiteFlights Airlines. We can even incorporate some of the better ideas of the last few years for airline safety. One of my favorites is REQUIRING all passengers to carry guns. Do you think a guys gonna pull something when he’s that outgunned? We could even have promo’s where before the flight passengers have “quickdraw” competitions. Whoever wins gets a discount fair, whoever loses gets free transportation back to the funeral home of their choice (in the cargo bay of course). I’ve even got the motto – For a smooth flight, fly white….if there’s brown around it could go down.
If everybody on the same plane is afraid of the same thing, doesn’t it cease to be irrational?